Comments on: ‘defining’ vernacular creativity http://creativitymachine.net/2006/05/10/defining-vernacular-creativity/ A personal research blog about vernacular creativity and technology by Jean Burgess. Fri, 25 Jul 2008 19:08:48 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.3.3 By: RYN SHANE-ARMSTRONG » Blog Archive » Online Dating and Cannibalism http://creativitymachine.net/2006/05/10/defining-vernacular-creativity/#comment-48377 RYN SHANE-ARMSTRONG » Blog Archive » Online Dating and Cannibalism Fri, 23 May 2008 04:54:05 +0000 http://creativitymachine.net/2006/05/10/defining-vernacular-creativity/#comment-48377 [...] me with an untold number of psychological scars. But lately, under the intellectual framework of “Vernacular Creativity” (Jean Burgess), I’ve had to quell my initial sense of distrust and look a little [...] […] me with an untold number of psychological scars. But lately, under the intellectual framework of “Vernacular Creativity” (Jean Burgess), I’ve had to quell my initial sense of distrust and look a little […]

]]> By: digtial screen « word and image http://creativitymachine.net/2006/05/10/defining-vernacular-creativity/#comment-44162 digtial screen « word and image Sat, 13 Oct 2007 15:41:28 +0000 http://creativitymachine.net/2006/05/10/defining-vernacular-creativity/#comment-44162 [...] Currently engaged in reading and thinking about of vernacular creativity, in term of digital practices such as computer gaming, amateur photography and photosharing and new [...] […] Currently engaged in reading and thinking about of vernacular creativity, in term of digital practices such as computer gaming, amateur photography and photosharing and new […]

]]> By: spaces of vernacular creativity at creativity/machine http://creativitymachine.net/2006/05/10/defining-vernacular-creativity/#comment-30615 spaces of vernacular creativity at creativity/machine Sat, 16 Sep 2006 01:17:24 +0000 http://creativitymachine.net/2006/05/10/defining-vernacular-creativity/#comment-30615 [...] It seems the concept of vernacular creativity has legs that carry it into various disciplinary territories. Interestingly, this Call for Papers for a panel at the American Association of Geographers conference in San Francisco next year uses it in almost exactly the same way as I do. [...] […] It seems the concept of vernacular creativity has legs that carry it into various disciplinary territories. Interestingly, this Call for Papers for a panel at the American Association of Geographers conference in San Francisco next year uses it in almost exactly the same way as I do. […]

]]> By: Sallyent http://creativitymachine.net/2006/05/10/defining-vernacular-creativity/#comment-25734 Sallyent Tue, 23 May 2006 09:38:11 +0000 http://creativitymachine.net/2006/05/10/defining-vernacular-creativity/#comment-25734 Hi Am currently researching for an exhibition in the UK on DIY Culture and this is all really useful. Does anyone have an opinion on the following - DIY Culture includes both professional makers, artists etc as well as those not mkaing a living it by it; whereas Folk Art isn't so likely to include professionals. One of the areas the exhibition looks at is the fact that in DIY Culture no distinction is made between the professionals and non-professionals. But is that actually true? Be grateful for your thoughts thanks. Hi
Am currently researching for an exhibition in the UK on DIY Culture and this is all really useful. Does anyone have an opinion on the following - DIY Culture includes both professional makers, artists etc as well as those not mkaing a living it by it; whereas Folk Art isn’t so likely to include professionals.

One of the areas the exhibition looks at is the fact that in DIY Culture no distinction is made between the professionals and non-professionals. But is that actually true?

Be grateful for your thoughts thanks.

]]> By: Shannon http://creativitymachine.net/2006/05/10/defining-vernacular-creativity/#comment-24163 Shannon Wed, 17 May 2006 01:55:54 +0000 http://creativitymachine.net/2006/05/10/defining-vernacular-creativity/#comment-24163 fairnuff. fairnuff.

]]> By: Jean http://creativitymachine.net/2006/05/10/defining-vernacular-creativity/#comment-23718 Jean Mon, 15 May 2006 01:37:08 +0000 http://creativitymachine.net/2006/05/10/defining-vernacular-creativity/#comment-23718 Anna - can I see that PhD, or something you've published out of it? V. interested. And 'leisure arts': if you shoot me an email I can send you some stuff: jeanjeangenie[at]gmail[dot]com As for the definitional stuff - all I can say is that just as would be the case if i were to use the term "folk" or "DIY" or whatever, there is a specific politics of popular culture that I want to invoke when I use the term "vernacular creativity"; sure it encompasses some practices and forms that could also be called (and that call themselves) DIY or amateur or domestic or folk. I don't exclude those terms from my thesis either; but I want it to carry its own baggage, and not be overburdened by the baggage of any of those specific terms. It's really just a matter of creating the right prism I guess. Anyway. Anna - can I see that PhD, or something you’ve published out of it? V. interested. And ‘leisure arts’: if you shoot me an email I can send you some stuff: jeanjeangenie[at]gmail[dot]com

As for the definitional stuff - all I can say is that just as would be the case if i were to use the term “folk” or “DIY” or whatever, there is a specific politics of popular culture that I want to invoke when I use the term “vernacular creativity”; sure it encompasses some practices and forms that could also be called (and that call themselves) DIY or amateur or domestic or folk. I don’t exclude those terms from my thesis either; but I want it to carry its own baggage, and not be overburdened by the baggage of any of those specific terms. It’s really just a matter of creating the right prism I guess. Anyway.

]]> By: Jean http://creativitymachine.net/2006/05/10/defining-vernacular-creativity/#comment-23555 Jean Sun, 14 May 2006 10:25:22 +0000 http://creativitymachine.net/2006/05/10/defining-vernacular-creativity/#comment-23555 Wow, thanks both of you for your questions - I'll answer you properly and invidually when I get the chance, but for now I've pasted in a paragraph I've just rewritten. Wow, thanks both of you for your questions - I’ll answer you properly and invidually when I get the chance, but for now I’ve pasted in a paragraph I’ve just rewritten.

]]> By: annap http://creativitymachine.net/2006/05/10/defining-vernacular-creativity/#comment-23228 annap Sat, 13 May 2006 05:32:30 +0000 http://creativitymachine.net/2006/05/10/defining-vernacular-creativity/#comment-23228 It's interesting to read your thoughts on why DIY doesn't quite fit -- especically given how the concept of DIY has been reclaimed, reinterpreted, depoliticised by the home rennovations movement. I just finished a phd on Australian zines which tried to reposition DIY culture pretty squarely within what you'd call 'vernacular creativity', but I thought it was important to hold on to the term DIY, and argue against what I would say is the academy's investment in limiting DIY within the punk/avant garde/cool frameworks. I argued that you can sidestep the restricting oppositional politics implied by certain usages of DIY without losing the beneficial interpretive lee-way that 'do it yourself' gives you. It was important in my work too - because zinesters are very invested in the idea of 'DIY culture' and I didn't think it was fair to give that up. Wow... sorry for the long post in my moment of de-lurking. Good blog btw, lots to think about. It’s interesting to read your thoughts on why DIY doesn’t quite fit — especically given how the concept of DIY has been reclaimed, reinterpreted, depoliticised by the home rennovations movement. I just finished a phd on Australian zines which tried to reposition DIY culture pretty squarely within what you’d call ‘vernacular creativity’, but I thought it was important to hold on to the term DIY, and argue against what I would say is the academy’s investment in limiting DIY within the punk/avant garde/cool frameworks. I argued that you can sidestep the restricting oppositional politics implied by certain usages of DIY without losing the beneficial interpretive lee-way that ‘do it yourself’ gives you. It was important in my work too - because zinesters are very invested in the idea of ‘DIY culture’ and I didn’t think it was fair to give that up.

Wow… sorry for the long post in my moment of de-lurking.
Good blog btw, lots to think about.

]]> By: LeisureArts http://creativitymachine.net/2006/05/10/defining-vernacular-creativity/#comment-23217 LeisureArts Sat, 13 May 2006 04:42:15 +0000 http://creativitymachine.net/2006/05/10/defining-vernacular-creativity/#comment-23217 Hello - we'll soon be posting about your research as it dovetails with our practice in many, many ways. We tried to download the pdf file associated with your dissertation, but it was password protected. Is there a way to access it? Quick, perhaps obvious or already addressed question: In your response concerning folk and DIY practices you talk about sidestepping their specific cultural trappings, but as we see it, or want to see it, "vernacular creativity" <i>encompasses</i> those arenas rather than sidesteps them - folk and DIY are vc, but vc is not <i>merely</i> folk or DIY. Is this a fair interpretation? We got into a similar <a href="http://placekraft.blogspot.com/2006/04/psychogeography-vs-neogeography.html" rel="nofollow">distinction</a> with neogeography and psychogeography seeing "psycho" as "neo," but neo as not merely psycho... Hello - we’ll soon be posting about your research as it dovetails with our practice in many, many ways. We tried to download the pdf file associated with your dissertation, but it was password protected. Is there a way to access it?

Quick, perhaps obvious or already addressed question: In your response concerning folk and DIY practices you talk about sidestepping their specific cultural trappings, but as we see it, or want to see it, “vernacular creativity” encompasses those arenas rather than sidesteps them - folk and DIY are vc, but vc is not merely folk or DIY. Is this a fair interpretation?

We got into a similar distinction with neogeography and psychogeography seeing “psycho” as “neo,” but neo as not merely psycho…

]]> By: Jean http://creativitymachine.net/2006/05/10/defining-vernacular-creativity/#comment-23038 Jean Fri, 12 May 2006 04:36:21 +0000 http://creativitymachine.net/2006/05/10/defining-vernacular-creativity/#comment-23038 Oh, and cos for various reasons i don't think either domestic digital photography or telling tall tales in the pub would be considered folk art. Oh, and cos for various reasons i don’t think either domestic digital photography or telling tall tales in the pub would be considered folk art.

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