Comments on: dawn of the organised networks? http://creativitymachine.net/2006/10/11/dawn-of-the-organised-networks/ A personal research blog about vernacular creativity and technology by Jean Burgess. Thu, 20 Nov 2008 23:17:06 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.3.3 By: Jean http://creativitymachine.net/2006/10/11/dawn-of-the-organised-networks/#comment-30656 Jean Wed, 11 Oct 2006 14:50:34 +0000 http://creativitymachine.net/2006/10/11/dawn-of-the-organised-networks/#comment-30656 hi barry! anne, i thought you might pop up ;) I think a lot of people other than the TCS folks have been 'all over complexity' for a while now (in fact, I think the symbolic interactionists and, er, anthropologists, had a really, really good start), and I recognize this kind of manifesto for what it is; it has a certain voice that I recognise very well ;) Grappling with complexity has never meant throwing up your hands though, right? I appreciate your comment about fetishising scientific methodologies - there's a battle between physics and biology going on, which is what my last sentence gestured at. And in the environment (sic) I work in and that my work circulates in, this stuff just doesn't even rate a mention. More than anything, I think it's brave to talk about 'organisation' at all in those contexts. I posted the quote as a bookmark without thinking it all the way through but also, there's problems around the imperative to participate that resonate somehow. hi barry!

anne, i thought you might pop up ;)

I think a lot of people other than the TCS folks have been ‘all over complexity’ for a while now (in fact, I think the symbolic interactionists and, er, anthropologists, had a really, really good start), and I recognize this kind of manifesto for what it is; it has a certain voice that I recognise very well ;) Grappling with complexity has never meant throwing up your hands though, right?

I appreciate your comment about fetishising scientific methodologies - there’s a battle between physics and biology going on, which is what my last sentence gestured at. And in the environment (sic) I work in and that my work circulates in, this stuff just doesn’t even rate a mention. More than anything, I think it’s brave to talk about ‘organisation’ at all in those contexts. I posted the quote as a bookmark without thinking it all the way through but also, there’s problems around the imperative to participate that resonate somehow.

]]> By: Anne http://creativitymachine.net/2006/10/11/dawn-of-the-organised-networks/#comment-30654 Anne Wed, 11 Oct 2006 11:55:42 +0000 http://creativitymachine.net/2006/10/11/dawn-of-the-organised-networks/#comment-30654 Well, the TCS folks have been all over complexity since the late 90s but especially in the past couple of years, and this seems to me to be another manifestation of this trend. (I suspect that Luhmann and Varela and autopoeisis will come up again too, especially since it all syncs so nicely with network protocols.) I do though appreciate the focus on network and political (?) potentialities... but I'm wary of social and cultural theory further fetishising scientific methodologies, along with universalist and singular realities. Nonetheless, I'm all for reconceptualising "community" - I just wouldn't choose to go about it this way ;) Well, the TCS folks have been all over complexity since the late 90s but especially in the past couple of years, and this seems to me to be another manifestation of this trend. (I suspect that Luhmann and Varela and autopoeisis will come up again too, especially since it all syncs so nicely with network protocols.) I do though appreciate the focus on network and political (?) potentialities… but I’m wary of social and cultural theory further fetishising scientific methodologies, along with universalist and singular realities. Nonetheless, I’m all for reconceptualising “community” - I just wouldn’t choose to go about it this way ;)

]]> By: barry http://creativitymachine.net/2006/10/11/dawn-of-the-organised-networks/#comment-30653 barry Wed, 11 Oct 2006 09:41:49 +0000 http://creativitymachine.net/2006/10/11/dawn-of-the-organised-networks/#comment-30653 indeed, interesting.... indeed, interesting….

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