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	<title>Comments on: more on the &#8216;get a mac&#8217; ads and stereotypes</title>
	<link>http://creativitymachine.net/2006/10/25/post-script-to-mac-ads/</link>
	<description>A personal research blog about vernacular creativity and technology by Jean Burgess.</description>
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		<title>By: large and in charge at creativity/machine</title>
		<link>http://creativitymachine.net/2006/10/25/post-script-to-mac-ads/#comment-30997</link>
		<dc:creator>large and in charge at creativity/machine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jan 2007 11:33:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] This is not the parody I was looking for, but at least it features women. I&#8217;m proudly reading very much against the grain here, but I think the PS3 is way, way, sexier. Go Karaoke: [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] This is not the parody I was looking for, but at least it features women. I&#8217;m proudly reading very much against the grain here, but I think the PS3 is way, way, sexier. Go Karaoke: [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: M-H</title>
		<link>http://creativitymachine.net/2006/10/25/post-script-to-mac-ads/#comment-30714</link>
		<dc:creator>M-H</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Nov 2006 04:09:35 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://creativitymachine.net/2006/10/25/post-script-to-mac-ads/#comment-30714</guid>
		<description>'The mac is for everyone'. People who were first attracted to Macs in the 80s might be in their 50s and 60s now. And they're often quite well off. (I refuse to use the overused b.b. appellation.) How do the ads include them? Except by appealing to their peterpan selves. :) Do any spoof ideas germinate there?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8216;The mac is for everyone&#8217;. People who were first attracted to Macs in the 80s might be in their 50s and 60s now. And they&#8217;re often quite well off. (I refuse to use the overused b.b. appellation.) How do the ads include them? Except by appealing to their peterpan selves. <img src='http://creativitymachine.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> Do any spoof ideas germinate there?</p>
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		<title>By: Jean</title>
		<link>http://creativitymachine.net/2006/10/25/post-script-to-mac-ads/#comment-30689</link>
		<dc:creator>Jean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Oct 2006 01:22:19 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://creativitymachine.net/2006/10/25/post-script-to-mac-ads/#comment-30689</guid>
		<description>Difficult, yes, but possible, I'm convinced! Don't crush my Pollyanna-like cultural optimism!

I do think they already have certain anticipated responses built in, and you're right, those responses are the most superficial and stereotypical.  Which is precisely why i think there's plenty of room to create unanticipated responses.  Just, obviously, no motivation.  Because it's fanboys who make spoofs of the texts that circulate within their own communities, not people who are excluded by or don't give a shit about those fan communities.
 
I'd be very interested to know what about the ads was "stupid" and what was "clever"?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Difficult, yes, but possible, I&#8217;m convinced! Don&#8217;t crush my Pollyanna-like cultural optimism!</p>
<p>I do think they already have certain anticipated responses built in, and you&#8217;re right, those responses are the most superficial and stereotypical.  Which is precisely why i think there&#8217;s plenty of room to create unanticipated responses.  Just, obviously, no motivation.  Because it&#8217;s fanboys who make spoofs of the texts that circulate within their own communities, not people who are excluded by or don&#8217;t give a shit about those fan communities.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d be very interested to know what about the ads was &#8220;stupid&#8221; and what was &#8220;clever&#8221;?</p>
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		<title>By: Anne</title>
		<link>http://creativitymachine.net/2006/10/25/post-script-to-mac-ads/#comment-30684</link>
		<dc:creator>Anne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Oct 2006 11:57:07 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://creativitymachine.net/2006/10/25/post-script-to-mac-ads/#comment-30684</guid>
		<description>But see how difficult it is to make a new and hilarious spoof?  I really don't see these ads encouraging anything but the most superficial and stereotypical responses.  They strike me more along the lines of the kind of sexism that passes for "irony" so often these days.  In other words, it's hard to play with something that's been presented as already well-played.  

Incidentally, when we talked about them in class, people were quite torn between thinking the ads were "stupid" and "clever".  Now what does that suggest?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But see how difficult it is to make a new and hilarious spoof?  I really don&#8217;t see these ads encouraging anything but the most superficial and stereotypical responses.  They strike me more along the lines of the kind of sexism that passes for &#8220;irony&#8221; so often these days.  In other words, it&#8217;s hard to play with something that&#8217;s been presented as already well-played.  </p>
<p>Incidentally, when we talked about them in class, people were quite torn between thinking the ads were &#8220;stupid&#8221; and &#8220;clever&#8221;.  Now what does that suggest?</p>
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		<title>By: Jean</title>
		<link>http://creativitymachine.net/2006/10/25/post-script-to-mac-ads/#comment-30683</link>
		<dc:creator>Jean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Oct 2006 08:14:38 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://creativitymachine.net/2006/10/25/post-script-to-mac-ads/#comment-30683</guid>
		<description>you are the demographic!  The Mac is for everyone, as the neat diversity of the Switch advertisements demonstrate. 

But I'm still stuck on the spoof potential.  I've seen one somewhere that took on the political economy of computer manufacture (something about near-slave labour), but can't remember where I saw it. We need to take the youtube fratboys and fanboys on, and do a hilarious, rather than humourless, critical spoof video.  Maybe we should have a spoof video competition with a funky website, featuring web 2.0-style rounded corners and glassy reflections.  Guidelines would include the following:

1. Yes, when the mac and pc hold hands, it looks like they're gay. But it's been done. 
2. Yes, male geeks like to use their computers to watch porn. But it's been done.
3. Yes, Linux is a viable third character, who would be _really_ nerdy, not office-corporate-beauracrat geeky, like the current PC.  But it's been done.
4. None of the above are actually that hilarious.

Ideas?

Hmmm...what would the prize be?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>you are the demographic!  The Mac is for everyone, as the neat diversity of the Switch advertisements demonstrate. </p>
<p>But I&#8217;m still stuck on the spoof potential.  I&#8217;ve seen one somewhere that took on the political economy of computer manufacture (something about near-slave labour), but can&#8217;t remember where I saw it. We need to take the youtube fratboys and fanboys on, and do a hilarious, rather than humourless, critical spoof video.  Maybe we should have a spoof video competition with a funky website, featuring web 2.0-style rounded corners and glassy reflections.  Guidelines would include the following:</p>
<p>1. Yes, when the mac and pc hold hands, it looks like they&#8217;re gay. But it&#8217;s been done.<br />
2. Yes, male geeks like to use their computers to watch porn. But it&#8217;s been done.<br />
3. Yes, Linux is a viable third character, who would be _really_ nerdy, not office-corporate-beauracrat geeky, like the current PC.  But it&#8217;s been done.<br />
4. None of the above are actually that hilarious.</p>
<p>Ideas?</p>
<p>Hmmm&#8230;what would the prize be?</p>
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		<title>By: M-H</title>
		<link>http://creativitymachine.net/2006/10/25/post-script-to-mac-ads/#comment-30682</link>
		<dc:creator>M-H</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Oct 2006 07:25:56 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://creativitymachine.net/2006/10/25/post-script-to-mac-ads/#comment-30682</guid>
		<description>Oh god... I've been a Mac user since about 1988 but I am completely out of this demographic. Rusted on, so why would they bother to appeal to me? They know that I'll be updating my G4 whenever I can afford it anyway.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh god&#8230; I&#8217;ve been a Mac user since about 1988 but I am completely out of this demographic. Rusted on, so why would they bother to appeal to me? They know that I&#8217;ll be updating my G4 whenever I can afford it anyway.</p>
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		<title>By: Jean</title>
		<link>http://creativitymachine.net/2006/10/25/post-script-to-mac-ads/#comment-30680</link>
		<dc:creator>Jean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Oct 2006 04:07:23 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://creativitymachine.net/2006/10/25/post-script-to-mac-ads/#comment-30680</guid>
		<description>yes, I know, the young people today...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yes, I know, the young people today&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: MC</title>
		<link>http://creativitymachine.net/2006/10/25/post-script-to-mac-ads/#comment-30678</link>
		<dc:creator>MC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Oct 2006 02:28:01 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://creativitymachine.net/2006/10/25/post-script-to-mac-ads/#comment-30678</guid>
		<description>ok, now i am crying!!!!!!!!!
she is all of the first year students who walked out of my lecture yesterday, boo hoo hoo... 
pout...
scream... 
tear out hair...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ok, now i am crying!!!!!!!!!<br />
she is all of the first year students who walked out of my lecture yesterday, boo hoo hoo&#8230;<br />
pout&#8230;<br />
scream&#8230;<br />
tear out hair&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Jean</title>
		<link>http://creativitymachine.net/2006/10/25/post-script-to-mac-ads/#comment-30677</link>
		<dc:creator>Jean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Oct 2006 01:39:01 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://creativitymachine.net/2006/10/25/post-script-to-mac-ads/#comment-30677</guid>
		<description>Well, you can't dress like a Mac, Mel, but you could always dress like Ellen, the ideal 'ordinary user', who doesn't know much about technology, but knows what she likes: http://www.ellenfeiss.net/fashion.php

Here's Ellen elucidating the finer points of why she switched to the Mac: http://www.ellenfeiss.net/movie.php?movie=movies/ellen_feiss_02.mov</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, you can&#8217;t dress like a Mac, Mel, but you could always dress like Ellen, the ideal &#8216;ordinary user&#8217;, who doesn&#8217;t know much about technology, but knows what she likes: <a href="http://www.ellenfeiss.net/fashion.php" rel="nofollow">http://www.ellenfeiss.net/fashion.php</a></p>
<p>Here&#8217;s Ellen elucidating the finer points of why she switched to the Mac: <a href="http://www.ellenfeiss.net/movie.php?movie=movies/ellen_feiss_02.mov" rel="nofollow">http://www.ellenfeiss.net/movie.php?movie=movies/ellen_feiss_02.mov</a></p>
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		<title>By: MC</title>
		<link>http://creativitymachine.net/2006/10/25/post-script-to-mac-ads/#comment-30676</link>
		<dc:creator>MC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Oct 2006 01:27:58 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://creativitymachine.net/2006/10/25/post-script-to-mac-ads/#comment-30676</guid>
		<description>That last link's helpful, innit?
Oh...

&lt;blockquote&gt;"Ladies? I apologize, I donâ€™t know a whole lot about womenâ€™s clothing, and it seems like Apple doesnâ€™t either. Any suggestions?"&lt;/blockquote&gt;

As the lady bloggers say, 'Le sigh...'</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That last link&#8217;s helpful, innit?<br />
Oh&#8230;</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;Ladies? I apologize, I donâ€™t know a whole lot about womenâ€™s clothing, and it seems like Apple doesnâ€™t either. Any suggestions?&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>As the lady bloggers say, &#8216;Le sigh&#8230;&#8217;</p>
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