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		<title>By: large and in charge at creativity/machine</title>
		<link>http://creativitymachine.net/2006/10/25/post-script-to-mac-ads/comment-page-1/#comment-30997</link>
		<dc:creator>large and in charge at creativity/machine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jan 2007 11:33:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] This is not the parody I was looking for, but at least it features women. I&#8217;m proudly reading very much against the grain here, but I think the PS3 is way, way, sexier. Go Karaoke: [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] This is not the parody I was looking for, but at least it features women. I&#8217;m proudly reading very much against the grain here, but I think the PS3 is way, way, sexier. Go Karaoke: [...]</p>
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		<title>By: M-H</title>
		<link>http://creativitymachine.net/2006/10/25/post-script-to-mac-ads/comment-page-1/#comment-30714</link>
		<dc:creator>M-H</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Nov 2006 04:09:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&#039;The mac is for everyone&#039;. People who were first attracted to Macs in the 80s might be in their 50s and 60s now. And they&#039;re often quite well off. (I refuse to use the overused b.b. appellation.) How do the ads include them? Except by appealing to their peterpan selves. :) Do any spoof ideas germinate there?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8216;The mac is for everyone&#8217;. People who were first attracted to Macs in the 80s might be in their 50s and 60s now. And they&#8217;re often quite well off. (I refuse to use the overused b.b. appellation.) How do the ads include them? Except by appealing to their peterpan selves. <img src='http://creativitymachine.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  Do any spoof ideas germinate there?</p>
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		<title>By: Jean</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Oct 2006 01:22:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Difficult, yes, but possible, I&#039;m convinced! Don&#039;t crush my Pollyanna-like cultural optimism!

I do think they already have certain anticipated responses built in, and you&#039;re right, those responses are the most superficial and stereotypical.  Which is precisely why i think there&#039;s plenty of room to create unanticipated responses.  Just, obviously, no motivation.  Because it&#039;s fanboys who make spoofs of the texts that circulate within their own communities, not people who are excluded by or don&#039;t give a shit about those fan communities.
 
I&#039;d be very interested to know what about the ads was &quot;stupid&quot; and what was &quot;clever&quot;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Difficult, yes, but possible, I&#8217;m convinced! Don&#8217;t crush my Pollyanna-like cultural optimism!</p>
<p>I do think they already have certain anticipated responses built in, and you&#8217;re right, those responses are the most superficial and stereotypical.  Which is precisely why i think there&#8217;s plenty of room to create unanticipated responses.  Just, obviously, no motivation.  Because it&#8217;s fanboys who make spoofs of the texts that circulate within their own communities, not people who are excluded by or don&#8217;t give a shit about those fan communities.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d be very interested to know what about the ads was &#8220;stupid&#8221; and what was &#8220;clever&#8221;?</p>
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		<title>By: Anne</title>
		<link>http://creativitymachine.net/2006/10/25/post-script-to-mac-ads/comment-page-1/#comment-30684</link>
		<dc:creator>Anne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Oct 2006 11:57:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But see how difficult it is to make a new and hilarious spoof?  I really don&#039;t see these ads encouraging anything but the most superficial and stereotypical responses.  They strike me more along the lines of the kind of sexism that passes for &quot;irony&quot; so often these days.  In other words, it&#039;s hard to play with something that&#039;s been presented as already well-played.  

Incidentally, when we talked about them in class, people were quite torn between thinking the ads were &quot;stupid&quot; and &quot;clever&quot;.  Now what does that suggest?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But see how difficult it is to make a new and hilarious spoof?  I really don&#8217;t see these ads encouraging anything but the most superficial and stereotypical responses.  They strike me more along the lines of the kind of sexism that passes for &#8220;irony&#8221; so often these days.  In other words, it&#8217;s hard to play with something that&#8217;s been presented as already well-played.  </p>
<p>Incidentally, when we talked about them in class, people were quite torn between thinking the ads were &#8220;stupid&#8221; and &#8220;clever&#8221;.  Now what does that suggest?</p>
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		<title>By: Jean</title>
		<link>http://creativitymachine.net/2006/10/25/post-script-to-mac-ads/comment-page-1/#comment-30683</link>
		<dc:creator>Jean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Oct 2006 08:14:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>you are the demographic!  The Mac is for everyone, as the neat diversity of the Switch advertisements demonstrate. 

But I&#039;m still stuck on the spoof potential.  I&#039;ve seen one somewhere that took on the political economy of computer manufacture (something about near-slave labour), but can&#039;t remember where I saw it. We need to take the youtube fratboys and fanboys on, and do a hilarious, rather than humourless, critical spoof video.  Maybe we should have a spoof video competition with a funky website, featuring web 2.0-style rounded corners and glassy reflections.  Guidelines would include the following:

1. Yes, when the mac and pc hold hands, it looks like they&#039;re gay. But it&#039;s been done. 
2. Yes, male geeks like to use their computers to watch porn. But it&#039;s been done.
3. Yes, Linux is a viable third character, who would be _really_ nerdy, not office-corporate-beauracrat geeky, like the current PC.  But it&#039;s been done.
4. None of the above are actually that hilarious.

Ideas?

Hmmm...what would the prize be?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>you are the demographic!  The Mac is for everyone, as the neat diversity of the Switch advertisements demonstrate. </p>
<p>But I&#8217;m still stuck on the spoof potential.  I&#8217;ve seen one somewhere that took on the political economy of computer manufacture (something about near-slave labour), but can&#8217;t remember where I saw it. We need to take the youtube fratboys and fanboys on, and do a hilarious, rather than humourless, critical spoof video.  Maybe we should have a spoof video competition with a funky website, featuring web 2.0-style rounded corners and glassy reflections.  Guidelines would include the following:</p>
<p>1. Yes, when the mac and pc hold hands, it looks like they&#8217;re gay. But it&#8217;s been done.<br />
2. Yes, male geeks like to use their computers to watch porn. But it&#8217;s been done.<br />
3. Yes, Linux is a viable third character, who would be _really_ nerdy, not office-corporate-beauracrat geeky, like the current PC.  But it&#8217;s been done.<br />
4. None of the above are actually that hilarious.</p>
<p>Ideas?</p>
<p>Hmmm&#8230;what would the prize be?</p>
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		<title>By: M-H</title>
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		<dc:creator>M-H</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Oct 2006 07:25:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh god... I&#039;ve been a Mac user since about 1988 but I am completely out of this demographic. Rusted on, so why would they bother to appeal to me? They know that I&#039;ll be updating my G4 whenever I can afford it anyway.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh god&#8230; I&#8217;ve been a Mac user since about 1988 but I am completely out of this demographic. Rusted on, so why would they bother to appeal to me? They know that I&#8217;ll be updating my G4 whenever I can afford it anyway.</p>
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		<title>By: Jean</title>
		<link>http://creativitymachine.net/2006/10/25/post-script-to-mac-ads/comment-page-1/#comment-30680</link>
		<dc:creator>Jean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Oct 2006 04:07:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>yes, I know, the young people today...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yes, I know, the young people today&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: MC</title>
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		<dc:creator>MC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Oct 2006 02:28:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ok, now i am crying!!!!!!!!!
she is all of the first year students who walked out of my lecture yesterday, boo hoo hoo... 
pout...
scream... 
tear out hair...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ok, now i am crying!!!!!!!!!<br />
she is all of the first year students who walked out of my lecture yesterday, boo hoo hoo&#8230;<br />
pout&#8230;<br />
scream&#8230;<br />
tear out hair&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Jean</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Oct 2006 01:39:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, you can&#039;t dress like a Mac, Mel, but you could always dress like Ellen, the ideal &#039;ordinary user&#039;, who doesn&#039;t know much about technology, but knows what she likes: http://www.ellenfeiss.net/fashion.php

Here&#039;s Ellen elucidating the finer points of why she switched to the Mac: http://www.ellenfeiss.net/movie.php?movie=movies/ellen_feiss_02.mov</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, you can&#8217;t dress like a Mac, Mel, but you could always dress like Ellen, the ideal &#8216;ordinary user&#8217;, who doesn&#8217;t know much about technology, but knows what she likes: <a href="http://www.ellenfeiss.net/fashion.php" rel="nofollow">http://www.ellenfeiss.net/fashion.php</a></p>
<p>Here&#8217;s Ellen elucidating the finer points of why she switched to the Mac: <a href="http://www.ellenfeiss.net/movie.php?movie=movies/ellen_feiss_02.mov" rel="nofollow">http://www.ellenfeiss.net/movie.php?movie=movies/ellen_feiss_02.mov</a></p>
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		<title>By: MC</title>
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		<dc:creator>MC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Oct 2006 01:27:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That last link&#039;s helpful, innit?
Oh...

&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;Ladies? I apologize, I donâ€™t know a whole lot about womenâ€™s clothing, and it seems like Apple doesnâ€™t either. Any suggestions?&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

As the lady bloggers say, &#039;Le sigh...&#039;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That last link&#8217;s helpful, innit?<br />
Oh&#8230;</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;Ladies? I apologize, I donâ€™t know a whole lot about womenâ€™s clothing, and it seems like Apple doesnâ€™t either. Any suggestions?&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>As the lady bloggers say, &#8216;Le sigh&#8230;&#8217;</p>
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