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	<title>Comments on: further to the myspace/facebook class debate</title>
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		<title>By: Hot Myspace Layouts</title>
		<link>http://creativitymachine.net/2007/06/29/further-to-the-myspacefacebook-class-debate/comment-page-1/#comment-47930</link>
		<dc:creator>Hot Myspace Layouts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2008 20:59:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve been a web master for resource sites for along time. Customization definitely plays apart of Myspace&#039;s success. Facebook apps are clunky at best and don&#039;t encompass the level of personalization that Myspace does...what&#039;s one widget on a page compared to a full layouts, graphics, the new Myspace apps and everything else?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been a web master for resource sites for along time. Customization definitely plays apart of Myspace&#8217;s success. Facebook apps are clunky at best and don&#8217;t encompass the level of personalization that Myspace does&#8230;what&#8217;s one widget on a page compared to a full layouts, graphics, the new Myspace apps and everything else?</p>
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		<title>By: Twist</title>
		<link>http://creativitymachine.net/2007/06/29/further-to-the-myspacefacebook-class-debate/comment-page-1/#comment-47611</link>
		<dc:creator>Twist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Apr 2008 02:04:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would not touch www.redbubble.com or www.deviantart.com. I find that www.myartspace.com, yes myARTspace, is a bit more professional than the rest. It has been compared to a sexy version of Artnet... you can&#039;t go wrong with that!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would not touch <a href="http://www.redbubble.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.redbubble.com</a> or <a href="http://www.deviantart.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.deviantart.com</a>. I find that <a href="http://www.myartspace.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.myartspace.com</a>, yes myARTspace, is a bit more professional than the rest. It has been compared to a sexy version of Artnet&#8230; you can&#8217;t go wrong with that!</p>
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		<title>By: Anne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Dec 2007 01:20:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Facebook&#039;s lack of options for personalisation sucks, and other things suck as well... particularly the applications frenzy and lack of option to block the viral marketing chaos (read: the constant stream of applications invitations and information about friends&#039; applications) out from one&#039;s news feeds and notifications. 

However, Facebook is also a very practical tool for organising contacts and keeping in touch, and with regard to viral marketing chaos, MySpace is so much worse, anyway (I had a MySpace profile first). 

99 % of MySpace profiles are unbelievable ugly and shows a terrifying lack of flair for visual design, or maybe it is just the way the software transforms users&#039; visual ideas into tasteless, blinking, disturbing, hopeless, accumulating crap. Moreover, 99 % of all &quot;friends&quot; on MySpace are viral marketers or stupid American teenagers with fake identities and no real life of any substance. On Facebook, everyone in my network is someone I know in real life. With one exception though... but in that case I know her real name, employer, job role and work history, have read her postings over years in another forum, and interviewed her friend for a student  project.  My Facebook network contains only former classmates and colleges, family members, friends&#039; friends who I have met in parties or been bushwalking with. The privacy settings protect my network and profile from search engines and filter out external noise. MySpace can&#039;t compete with that...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Facebook&#8217;s lack of options for personalisation sucks, and other things suck as well&#8230; particularly the applications frenzy and lack of option to block the viral marketing chaos (read: the constant stream of applications invitations and information about friends&#8217; applications) out from one&#8217;s news feeds and notifications. </p>
<p>However, Facebook is also a very practical tool for organising contacts and keeping in touch, and with regard to viral marketing chaos, MySpace is so much worse, anyway (I had a MySpace profile first). </p>
<p>99 % of MySpace profiles are unbelievable ugly and shows a terrifying lack of flair for visual design, or maybe it is just the way the software transforms users&#8217; visual ideas into tasteless, blinking, disturbing, hopeless, accumulating crap. Moreover, 99 % of all &#8220;friends&#8221; on MySpace are viral marketers or stupid American teenagers with fake identities and no real life of any substance. On Facebook, everyone in my network is someone I know in real life. With one exception though&#8230; but in that case I know her real name, employer, job role and work history, have read her postings over years in another forum, and interviewed her friend for a student  project.  My Facebook network contains only former classmates and colleges, family members, friends&#8217; friends who I have met in parties or been bushwalking with. The privacy settings protect my network and profile from search engines and filter out external noise. MySpace can&#8217;t compete with that&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Jean</title>
		<link>http://creativitymachine.net/2007/06/29/further-to-the-myspacefacebook-class-debate/comment-page-1/#comment-43084</link>
		<dc:creator>Jean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Aug 2007 08:06:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks so much for another micro case study - v. interesting. I&#039;m fascinated by these relations among technological &#039;affordances&#039;, interaction design, aesthetics, cultural value, social network effects, etc on particular cultural formations. As you can tell! 

I wonder what the trajectory has been at deviantart.com in similar terms? I haven&#039;t spend enough time there to know.  I know there were some agonistic debates over commercialisation, with tropes of &#039;betrayal&#039; of the original subculture/early adopters. 

By the way, I still think that the particular culture that has emerged/been cultivated in Flickr is why it is perceieved as a success by, not only the core enthusiasts who populate it, but also a wider &#039;public&#039; who want to find &#039;good images&#039; - where &#039;good&#039;, because of the interestingness thing, doesn&#039;t mean a reflection of elitist cultural values at all, but is  genuinely popular and includes things like &#039;discussability&#039; as well as prettiness.  

Anyway, this is a much longer conversation - let&#039;s continue it!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks so much for another micro case study &#8211; v. interesting. I&#8217;m fascinated by these relations among technological &#8216;affordances&#8217;, interaction design, aesthetics, cultural value, social network effects, etc on particular cultural formations. As you can tell! </p>
<p>I wonder what the trajectory has been at deviantart.com in similar terms? I haven&#8217;t spend enough time there to know.  I know there were some agonistic debates over commercialisation, with tropes of &#8216;betrayal&#8217; of the original subculture/early adopters. </p>
<p>By the way, I still think that the particular culture that has emerged/been cultivated in Flickr is why it is perceieved as a success by, not only the core enthusiasts who populate it, but also a wider &#8216;public&#8217; who want to find &#8216;good images&#8217; &#8211; where &#8216;good&#8217;, because of the interestingness thing, doesn&#8217;t mean a reflection of elitist cultural values at all, but is  genuinely popular and includes things like &#8216;discussability&#8217; as well as prettiness.  </p>
<p>Anyway, this is a much longer conversation &#8211; let&#8217;s continue it!</p>
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		<title>By: dogpossum</title>
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		<dc:creator>dogpossum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Aug 2007 08:43:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is interesting stuff, Jean.

There are a few discussions about &#039;art&#039; going on in the new red bubble dot com community atm - an &#039;arts&#039; community (initially conceived as a marketing scheme for printing art and photos but _actually_ hijacked by &#039;ordinary&#039; punters who like sharing their pictures with online buddies and certainly don&#039;t meet the standards of turtle-neck types) which is negotiating its way through decisions about the &#039;type&#039; of art it should be selling and promoting.

It seems that the inevitable (and, for me, quite wonderful) push has been &#039;downwards&#039; - as an example, there was muted disgust about members using the site to upload candid pics from camera phones for printing. The High Art types were Not Amused. Apparently &#039;art&#039; means &#039;professional&#039;, involving stacks of expensive technology and carefully managed (and marked-by-class) &#039;talent&#039;. Not for scruffs, in other words.

Yet truly &#039;professional&#039; artists (whether photographers, illustrated or what-e-ver) avoid the site for very fact that it makes it impossible to &#039;control&#039; your art: exclusivity is all in the &#039;art world&#039; and a social networking site centered on what is (essentially) community art practice and discussion really doesn&#039;t provide that.

The question now is whether the scruffs will actually keep the business afloat.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is interesting stuff, Jean.</p>
<p>There are a few discussions about &#8216;art&#8217; going on in the new red bubble dot com community atm &#8211; an &#8216;arts&#8217; community (initially conceived as a marketing scheme for printing art and photos but _actually_ hijacked by &#8216;ordinary&#8217; punters who like sharing their pictures with online buddies and certainly don&#8217;t meet the standards of turtle-neck types) which is negotiating its way through decisions about the &#8216;type&#8217; of art it should be selling and promoting.</p>
<p>It seems that the inevitable (and, for me, quite wonderful) push has been &#8216;downwards&#8217; &#8211; as an example, there was muted disgust about members using the site to upload candid pics from camera phones for printing. The High Art types were Not Amused. Apparently &#8216;art&#8217; means &#8216;professional&#8217;, involving stacks of expensive technology and carefully managed (and marked-by-class) &#8216;talent&#8217;. Not for scruffs, in other words.</p>
<p>Yet truly &#8216;professional&#8217; artists (whether photographers, illustrated or what-e-ver) avoid the site for very fact that it makes it impossible to &#8216;control&#8217; your art: exclusivity is all in the &#8216;art world&#8217; and a social networking site centered on what is (essentially) community art practice and discussion really doesn&#8217;t provide that.</p>
<p>The question now is whether the scruffs will actually keep the business afloat.</p>
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		<title>By: cass</title>
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		<dc:creator>cass</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jul 2007 12:12:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hey, i read this article with interest, however the above link in the comment doesnt work. i&#039;ll look it up by other means. im new to this discussion strand, find the &#039;aspirational&#039; theorising interesting, have u had a look at what is happeneing in practice, i suspect that theres a lot of people who use both simultaneously and exploit features from each that satisfy different desires.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hey, i read this article with interest, however the above link in the comment doesnt work. i&#8217;ll look it up by other means. im new to this discussion strand, find the &#8216;aspirational&#8217; theorising interesting, have u had a look at what is happeneing in practice, i suspect that theres a lot of people who use both simultaneously and exploit features from each that satisfy different desires.</p>
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		<title>By: nmrg - blog from the new media research group in RIMAD at the University of Bedfordshire. » Blog Archive » Further adventures in Digital White Flight Part 2</title>
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		<dc:creator>nmrg - blog from the new media research group in RIMAD at the University of Bedfordshire. » Blog Archive » Further adventures in Digital White Flight Part 2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jul 2007 15:40:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] a related post by danah boyd on the 24th, and others engaged with the topic include Henry Jenkins, Jean Burgess and even New Jewish [...]</description>
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